真实的Chris-Gardner的访谈录

看过当幸福来敲门的人来看真实的ChrisGardner的访谈录:ChrisGardner|SurvivalGuide:extendedinterviewByWilliamWelshStaffWriterChrisGardner,CEO,GardnerRichLLC“AlongwalktoWallStreetishowothersdescribemylife.”ThatsentenceisemblazonedonthecoverofChrisGardner’sbestseller“PursuitofHappyness,”whichchroniclesGardner’sclimbtothetopofthefinancialworldfollowingableakspellofhomelessnessinSanFranciscoduringthe1980s.GardnergrewupinMilwaukee,servedintheNavy,thentraveledtoGoldenGateCityinsearchofhisdreams.Anestrangedwife,atoddlersonandahousingsituationthatdidn’tallowforchildrenmadehimoneofthecity’sworkinghomeless:thosewhohaveajobbutnoroofovertheirheads.Despitetheoddsagainsthim,Gardnervowednottoabandonhisson.HisrisefromatraineeatDeanWittertoownerofhisownstockbrokeragefirmisthestufffromwhichlegends—andmovies—aremade.ASonyPicturesfilmbasedonhisstoryandstarringactorWillSmithopensinDecemberintheatersnationwide.GardnerspokerecentlywithDeputyEditorWilliamWelshaboutmakingitthroughhardtimes,owningone’sresponsibilitiesandwhatit’sliketohaveamoviemadeaboutyourlife.WT:WhenyouwereoneoftheworkinghomelessinSanFrancisco,didyouhavehopethatyouwouldgetoutofthesituation?Gardner:Wewerehomeless,wewerenothopeless.There’saworldofdifference.Alotoffolksdon’trealizeit,butit’sestimatedthat12percentofallofthehomelesspeopleinthiscountryhavejobsandgotoworkeveryday.Oneoftheverymemorablepartsofgettingreadytoshootthefilm“ThePursuitofHappyness”wasWillSmithandIwentforanumberofwalks.Asopposedtosittingandtalking,Isaidtohim,‘LetmetakeyouandshowyouplaceswheremysonandIhadtosleep.’Wewentdownintothesubwaystations,trainstations,hotellobbies,restroomsofsubwaystations,andWillissuchasharpguy,heturnstomeandsays,‘Alotofthesepeoplelookliketheyaredressedtogosomeplace.’Someofthemwere—dressedtogotoworkinthemorning.Insomecommunities,I’mtoldbytheU.S.InteragencyCouncilonHomeless,thenumberofworkinghomelessisalothigher.It’supto30percentinsomeplaces.WT:Towhatdoyouattributeyourrisetothetop?Gardner:Mymother.Youdon’thaveenoughtapesformetogointoit.Ichosetoembracethe“spiritualgenetics”ofmymom.Weallunderstandgenetics.Yougetyoureyesfromyourdad,yourmom’snose,there’snothingyoucandoaboutthat.Butyourspiritualgeneticsyoucanchoose,pick,embraceandcommitto.That’swhatIdid.Thoughmymomhadtoomanyofherowndreamsdenied,deferredanddestroyed,sheinstilledinmethatIcouldhavedreams.Andnotjusthavedreamsbuthadaresponsibilitytomakethemreality.MymomtaughtmefromaveryearlyagethatIcoulddoanythingIwantedtodo.MyfirstambitioninlifewastobeMilesDavis.Ididn’twanttobeatrumpetplayer,anartistorajazzmusician—IliterallywantedtobeMiles.Mymomsaidtome,’Baby,youcan’tbeMiles.Thereain’tbutone,andhegotthatjob.’ButImadeacommitmentatanearlyagethatIwantedtobeworldclassatsomething.Istudiedtrumpetfornineyears.Iwantedtobeworldclassatitorworldclassatsomething.AfterIrealizedandacceptedthefacts[Iredirectedmyefforts].At18,MilesDaviswasinNewYorkplayingwithCharlieParkerandJohnColtrane.AtthesameageIwasplayingwithsomecatsnamedPookieandRayRay.Itwasn’tgoingtohappen.ButImadeacommitmenttobeworldclassatsomething.WT:Whatimportantlessonshaveyou’velearnedfromyourlifeexperience?Gardner:Man,I’mstilllearning.Oneis:Thecavalryain’tcoming.You’vegottodothisyourself.HowwouldyouliketobeoneofthemfolksdowninLouisianaorMississippiwaitingforthatcavalrytocomesaveyou?Anotherveryimportantlessonisthatbabystepscount,too.Aslongasyouaregoingforward.Youaddthemallup,andonedayyoulookbackandyou’llbesurprisedatwhereyoumightgetto.WT:Whatadvicewouldyougivepeoplewhoarejuststartingoutorwhoaretryingtogetaheadunderdifficultcircumstanceslikethoseyouexperienced?Gardner:Dosomethingthatyoulove.Whateveryou’regoingtodoisgoingtobetoughenough.Findsomethingthatgetsyousoexcitedthatthesuncan’tcomeupearlyenoughinthemorningbecauseyouwanttogodoyourthing.Andyouhavetobeboldbecausetherewillbefolkswhowillsay‘youcan’t’or‘youshouldn’t’or‘why’?Thereisacertainboldnesstosaying‘Well,Ireallydon’twanttobeahigh-poweredcorporatelawyer.I’mreallypassionateaboutpainting.’OnethingIdosaytofolks—andIdon’tputmyselfouthereassomebodywhohasalltheanswers—butIdostatetheobviouswhenIsaythatnomatterhowmuchmoneyisinvolvedornomatterhoweasyitisforyoutodo,ifyou’renothappy,youarenothingmorethanaslavetoyourtalentandmoney.Sobehappy.WT:Youownyourownstockbrokeragefirm?Whatadvicewouldyougiveanyonethinkingaboutstartinghisorherownbusiness?Gardner:Hunkerdown,strapinandholdon.Holdon,baby!Itgoesbacktothelastansweraboutbeinghappy.Hey,man,it’shardouthere.Inmybusiness,thebrokeragebusiness,youcanwalkonwaterinthisbusiness.Yougettotheotherside,thentheboysfromGoldmanSachsandBearStearnsarewaitingforyou.Youhavetobecommitted,andyouhavetofindsomethingthatyouarepassionateabout.Andforgetaboutmoney.I’velearnedthatmoneyistheleastsignificantaspectofwealth.Dosomethingthatmakesyouhappyandmakesyoufeelgoodaboutyourself.Dosomethingthatmakesyoufeelyourworkissignificantandmeaningful.Ifyoujustwanttomakemoney,that’sawholedifferenttrip.Ican’thelpyouwiththat.WT:Howdoesitfeelhavingafilmbeingmadeaboutyourlifeexperience?Gardner:I’lltellyouwhenIwakeup.Inowknowthedefinitionofsurreal.Onthefirstday